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Quotable Tuesday

Jason Petermann  —  March 30, 2010 — 1 Comment

I attended the Catalyst One Day event in Chicago last week and had some great take aways that I am chewing on right now.  Today’s quote comes from Craig Groeschel as he talked about momentum, and busting barriers in people’s mindsets:

“To reach people that no one is reaching we must be willing to do things that no one else is doing. To do what no one else is doing, we cannot do what everyone else is doing.”

I was raised in a church culture that said the more ministries we had going the more successful we were.  Sometimes it even seemed like a goal was to add more and more things just to say that we were doing “such and such” a ministry.  All the while, we never evaluated (at least not honestly) the ministries we already had to see if we should continue doing them because they were being effective. I am convinced that many churches try to do so many things that they do not do anything as good as it can be done.

Basically, Craig was saying we can reach more by doing less… what do you think?

Quotable Tuesday

Jason Petermann  —  March 23, 2010 — 1 Comment

I am going to try something on Tuesdays starting today.  I love to read.  With my reading I come across a lot of good quotes that motivate, inspire and convict me to serve Jesus better and to love people more.  I want to pass some of those along here on my blog.  I tend to share these quotes, and many more on Twitter if you want to follow.  I hope they will motivate, inspire and convict you as well.

This first quote I read on Scott Hodge’s blog a couple years ago.  It inspired me to continue charting a course that I felt God wanted me to be on in ministry.

“Until you get your focus OFF of the people who are disgruntled, unhappy, unsupportive, and resistant to the direction God has called you to go, and ONTO those who are excited, supportive and on board, you will NEVER gain momentum and see a new culture created in your church.”

What are your thoughts about this?

Many times churches get this idea that being busy and starting more things is the same as being a success.  It is easy to think that the more ministries you start, the better the church must be doing.  But here is the deal, more things going on is NOT the goal.  The goal should be to see lives changed.  You could be a church of 50 or 500, and have 25 different ministries, but if it is not producing life change in people, you are not being effective or successful.  Here are a few more thoughts:

  • If the ministries you are doing now are not producing any life change in people, you need to get rid of it.
  • If starting a new ministry means another job for an already stressed out, overloaded staff member, you probably do not need it.
  • If your idea of growth is doing something else, and not spiritual maturity in people, you likely do not need to do anything else.
  • If you think that keeping your people busy is more important than letting them get out into the world to make a difference and have influence, you do not need another ministry.
  • If you have to get up and beg people to attend a ministry event every time you have it, you do not need it because it must not be producing life change in people, or they would come.
  • If you have to guilt people into doing something, you do not need to do it.  It obviously is not an effective means to life change for your people.
  • Just because the church down the street does it, does not mean you need to do it.
  • Just because you have always done it, does not mean you should still be doing it.

So, what are your thoughts?  Do you think less is more or more is more?

I was going through my Evernote notebook clips last night and came across a quote that I found on a blog a couple of years ago:

“The greatest opposition to what God is doing today comes from those who were on the cutting edge of what God was doing yesterday.”
– R.T. Kendall, pastor of Westminster Chapel

This had two implications for me:

  1. A lot of the people that I was taught to revere and respect as I was growing up were actually fairly progressive in their approach to ministry (for their time). What they did may not be considered progressive today, but it was then!  In fact, today most churches have been there and done the things that were considered progressive back then.
  2. I am still just under 40, but I never want to be the opposition to God’s moving in this (or any) generation.  Who has the right to say that God was done working in the 50’s. 60’s or 70’s?  Who has the right to say that the 90’s Praise and Worship music was the ultimate sound that God wanted.  None of us do.  We need to allow God to work today just as He did in those decades.  Creativity did not reach its pinnacle. Evangelism and preaching did not reach its final end.  Things continue to progress. Things continue to change.  They will until Christ returns.  In fact, we will even sing a “New Song” in heaven.  Some of you will not like that song either!

Read this post at Tony Morgan’s blog.  I am still processing through some of it, but I found it to be very, very accurate.  What are your thoughts on it?

more staff = fewer volunteers

lack of planning = financial challenges

more meetings = less ministry

unclear vision = packed ministry calendar

packed ministry calendar = volunteer burnout

same methods = same results

Read more of them on Tony’s blog. Good thoughts or not?  What do you think?