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I was fortunate enough to get in on a deal that Tony Morgan and his publisher offered: an advance PDF copy of his latest book, “Killing Cockroaches.”  All Iroaches had to do was to write a review for the book and post it on my blog.  Pretty good deal if you ask me!  Now, I love reading, and specifically I love reading books about leadership.  It is a subject that I am learning about and hoping that my learning is translating into better leadership skills on my part.

This book is a perfect book for all “ADD” leaders, as Tony’s format for the book is bite-sized pieces of information, principles and stories that can be quickly read.  Though they may be read quickly, the nuggets of truth in the book get you thinking and Tony’s heart for people is obvious as read through the book.  His mission in life is to help people take their next step towards Jesus, which is a great focus for any of us that claim to be Christ followers. Tony uses a lot of life experiences to give practical advice on how to better lead people and reach people.

Tony’s love and passion for the Church is also seen as he writes frequently about how churches need to wake up and evaluate what they are doing to see if it is being effective in reaching people.  This resonated with me in a huge way as I also have that passion and desire to see the Church be what God intended for it to be: an agent of change for people in this world!

Tony’s book would be a great book to take your church staff through (or any business staff) to help your church evaluate where you are at.  The book will help open up discussion about things that you may have been afraid to talk about as a staff, or maybe you just have not seen.

If for no other reason, buy the book to see the cockroaches running around the pages.  I think that may have been another ploy to get the ADD reader to buy the book!

  • 2:37 PM Jason Petermann – Session 4 will start in 13 minutes…
  • 2:53 PM Jason Petermann – Say it. So what
  • 2:53 PM Jason Petermann – The “so what” helps people integrate their menu, and therefore, their choices
  • 2:54 PM Jason Petermann – the “so what” brings vision to your promotion
  • 2:55 PM Jason Petermann – The “so what” clarifies the practicality and specificity of personal discipleship
  • 2:57 PM Jason Petermann – Laser. Focus.
  • 2:57 PM Jason Petermann – Many years go, Granger had a ministry for EVERYTHING (couples, singles, ladies, mens, etc.)
  • 3:04 PM Jason Petermann – The narrowed their focus to three areas… Groups, Retreats, and Volunteers
  • 3:04 PM Jason Petermann – showing a video of Mark Beeson speaking about this
  • 3:12 PM Jason Petermann – A church OF or WITH small groups
  • 3:13 PM Jason Petermann – a church of: you will expect everyone to be a part of one
  • 3:13 PM Jason Petermann – you’ll elevate the importance of this step over other steps
  • 3:14 PM Jason Petermann – people may feel like the other steps don’t have much significance compared to the step of getting in a small group
  • 3:14 PM Jason Petermann – people may hear if they are not in a small group, you are a substandard christian
  • 3:15 PM Jason Petermann – A church with groups, but focused on relationships is the key
  • 3:16 PM Jason Petermann – biblical teaching is a catalyst for life change and that life change best happens in relationships
  • 3:16 PM Jason Petermann – the experience of grace – unconditional acceptance – in personal relationships is often the open door to receiving God’s grace
  • 3:17 PM Jason Petermann – the care of our church people is best administered by the people with whom they share relationship
  • 3:17 PM Jason Petermann – people will stick in the local church as they connect with others
  • 3:18 PM Jason Petermann – serving is best practiced in a team, a joint effort with others with whom we share mutual mission and relationship
  • 3:18 PM Jason Petermann – Breaking. Barriers.
  • 3:18 PM Jason Petermann – CREATE
  • 3:19 PM Jason Petermann – a name that reduces confusion, fear and baggage (groups?)
  • 3:19 PM Jason Petermann – Create opporunities to tell stories
  • 3:19 PM Jason Petermann – Create ways for people to experiment
  • 3:22 PM Jason Petermann – Clarify… Culture
  • 3:22 PM Jason Petermann – Purpose
  • 3:24 PM Jason Petermann – people are coming with a variety of backgrounds and desires
  • 3:24 PM Jason Petermann – define the purpose of the meeting: to build relationships
  • 3:27 PM Jason Petermann – Granger has four group environments
  • 3:27 PM Jason Petermann – starting point: for marrieds and for singles – 6 weeks
  • 3:34 PM Jason Petermann – turning point: those ready for a change
  • 3:34 PM Jason Petermann – people that want to break addictions, need counseling and other things like that do not go to support groups, the also go to these small groups in turning point
  • 3:36 PM Jason Petermann – these groups promote the fact that these people matter to God
  • 3:37 PM Jason Petermann – 10 week groups
  • 3:37 PM Jason Petermann – none of Grangers groups are “eternal”
  • 3:38 PM Jason Petermann – Viewpoint: the newest “group” addition
  • 3:38 PM Jason Petermann – people that are looking for others to study the Bible with
  • 3:39 PM Jason Petermann – Journey Classes were going to do this, but they were to big
  • 3:39 PM Jason Petermann – these are smaller groups at tables
  • 3:45 PM Jason Petermann – Onramps: too many groups = confusion
  • 3:47 PM Jason Petermann – too challenging = scary
  • 3:55 PM Jason Petermann – Volunteer. Venue.
  • 3:55 PM Jason Petermann – Myths associated with volunteering
  • 3:55 PM Jason Petermann – (we are running out of time!) AHHH!
  • 3:56 PM Jason Petermann – there is no room for me
  • 3:56 PM Jason Petermann – It requires too much time
  • 3:57 PM Jason Petermann – you need to be an extrovert to serve
  • 3:57 PM Jason Petermann – you need to be an introvert
  • 3:57 PM Jason Petermann – only Christ followers can volunteer
  • 3:58 PM Jason Petermann – you must know what you are good at to volunteer
  • 3:58 PM Jason Petermann – (they let you experiment at GCC)
  • 3:58 PM Jason Petermann – Develop on ramps
  • 3:58 PM Jason Petermann – host an expo
  • 3:58 PM Jason Petermann – Get online
  • 3:58 PM Jason Petermann – host a tour
  • 3:58 PM Jason Petermann – (Voluntour)
  • 3:59 PM Jason Petermann – make it simple, whatever you do!
  • 4:00 PM Jason Petermann – wow… end of session 4! Thanks for joining me for the last couple of days!

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  • 1:24 PM Jason Petermann – Human. space.
  • 1:25 PM Jason Petermann – you have public space… anyone and everyone… your service on the weekend
  • 1:25 PM Jason Petermann – social space… people may not know each other, but they have commonality
  • 1:27 PM Jason Petermann – social space in a church may be a class offered… like FPU, guys or ladies retreat
  • 1:28 PM Jason Petermann – personal space
  • 1:28 PM Jason Petermann – people work in the same ministry, meet for Starbucks or a Bible study…
  • 1:28 PM Jason Petermann – conversations are moving along throughout these spaces, getting more personal
  • 1:29 PM Jason Petermann – Intimate space
  • 1:30 PM Jason Petermann – one on one with someone, being very transparent. Knowing the other person has their back…
  • 1:32 PM Jason Petermann – We need to move people along in our churches, but there is nothing that we can do to make the intimate happen…
  • 1:35 PM Jason Petermann – people will likely only have 5-6 friends that are close enough to get to the intimate level
  • 1:37 PM Jason Petermann – We all need each of these four spaces
  • 1:37 PM Jason Petermann – we move in and out of these spaces very fluidly…
  • 1:39 PM Jason Petermann – Granger’s Spaces
  • 1:40 PM Jason Petermann – weekend – Public
  • 1:40 PM Jason Petermann – First Wednesday (mid-week) – public
  • 1:41 PM Jason Petermann – other Wednesdays… Journey Bible classes
  • 1:44 PM Jason Petermann – social spaces
  • 1:44 PM Jason Petermann – Turning Point
  • 1:44 PM Jason Petermann – Starting point
  • 1:44 PM Jason Petermann – Second Saturday
  • 1:45 PM Jason Petermann – Financial Peace
  • 1:46 PM Jason Petermann – table work for a minute or two
  • 1:53 PM Jason Petermann – no matter what we may hope for one of these areas of space, people will make it what they want…
  • 2:02 PM Jason Petermann – Accept the space that you have
  • 2:02 PM Jason Petermann – Leverage the space you ahve
  • 2:02 PM Jason Petermann – Design the space that you have
  • 2:02 PM Jason Petermann – think like a designer
  • 2:03 PM Jason Petermann – We need to ask about our spaces:
  • 2:03 PM Jason Petermann – What kind of space is it
  • 2:03 PM Jason Petermann – what is the purpose of the space
  • 2:03 PM Jason Petermann – who will use that space
  • 2:04 PM Jason Petermann – what is the desired experience in that space
  • 2:04 PM Jason Petermann – (what do you want them to feel?)
  • 2:05 PM Jason Petermann – what do we want people to leave with?
  • 2:06 PM Jason Petermann – a friend? a challenge? a new commitment for the week?
  • 2:06 PM Jason Petermann – Who is responsible for quality control… who will say we have done what we intended to do with this space
  • 2:08 PM Jason Petermann – Minimal. Menu.
  • 2:08 PM Jason Petermann – showing a video
  • 2:14 PM Jason Petermann – Your people have two menus
  • 2:14 PM Jason Petermann – 1. The menu they carry with them
  • 2:14 PM Jason Petermann – 2. the menu we hand them when they come into our church
  • 2:17 PM Jason Petermann – Recommended book: Paradox of Choice by B. Schwartz
  • 2:17 PM Jason Petermann – Stack the menu, pay the price:
  • 2:18 PM Jason Petermann – When the menu is too exhaustive, people simply choose not to choose
  • 2:19 PM Jason Petermann – When the menu is too exhaustive, people delay their choice
  • 2:19 PM Jason Petermann – When the menu is too exhaustive, people experience buyers remorse
  • 2:19 PM Jason Petermann – we need to narrow the choices at our choice
  • 2:21 PM Jason Petermann – Bulletin: when we hand someone the bulletin for the week, we have handed them our new comers packet
  • 2:22 PM Jason Petermann – how do you move people from Sunday to serving if there are no announcements… Granger does “The Feed”
  • 2:23 PM Jason Petermann – a video they show this every week
  • 2:27 PM Jason Petermann – Minimize the menu: the used car salesman approach
  • 2:27 PM Jason Petermann – you wanna move the car off the lot and will do anything to move it,no matter what the customer wants
  • 2:28 PM Jason Petermann – second approach: All-skate approach
  • 2:28 PM Jason Petermann – everyone does everything together
  • 2:30 PM Jason Petermann – both approaches do not work and place expectations on people to be and do them, to be at the same X in their journey
  • 2:31 PM Jason Petermann – end of session 3, session four starts in 15 minutes!

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  • 11:27 AM Jason Petermann – People. Change.
  • 11:28 AM Jason Petermann – There is a difference between being responsible to people and being responsible for people…
  • 11:28 AM Jason Petermann – we are responsible TO people…
  • 11:29 AM Jason Petermann – if we understand that are are responsible TO people, then I understand they have a choice… if I feel responsible for people, I think I should choose for them
  • 11:30 AM Jason Petermann – if we understand that are are responsible TO people, then I know they must figure out their next tep… if I feel responsible for people, I think I should tell them what there next step is
  • 11:31 AM Jason Petermann – if we understand that are are responsible TO people, then I understand they must bear the consequences of their actions… if I feel responsible for people, I assume the guilt, or worse yet the shame for them
  • 11:33 AM Jason Petermann – if we understand that are are responsible TO people, then I share their journeys, offering encouragement and teaching… if I feel responsible for people, I try to direct their journeys, never allowing them to wrestle or mess up
  • 11:39 AM Jason Petermann – if we understand that are are responsible TO people, then I talk to God a lot on their behalf… if I feel responsible for people, I tend to talk to people a lot on God’s behalf… WOW!
  • 11:42 AM Jason Petermann – “If Jesus trusts the Holy Spirit, maybe we should too”
  • 11:42 AM Jason Petermann – It is God that does the growing, we just get in the way…
  • 11:43 AM Jason Petermann – Real. Expectations.
  • 11:45 AM Jason Petermann – Only one thing fills the gap between expectation and unmet expectation: disappointment
  • 11:45 AM Jason Petermann – we need to be clear about what people expect from us…
  • 11:46 AM Jason Petermann – get clear
  • 11:46 AM Jason Petermann – be real about it…
  • 11:46 AM Jason Petermann – we need to call people to own their journeys… if we do that, we better own our own journey
  • 11:46 AM Jason Petermann – everyone has a next step
  • 11:47 AM Jason Petermann – Be simple.
  • 11:48 AM Jason Petermann – We make things WAY to complicated for other people (need to get Kem Meyers book on March 26)
  • 11:49 AM Jason Petermann – people will give their lives away to serving
  • 11:50 AM Jason Petermann – we have to find a way to make everything that we do in the church to connect to the idea of people being on their journey
  • 11:54 AM Jason Petermann – Story. Telling.
  • 11:54 AM Jason Petermann – Kathy Guy is joining mark now
  • 11:54 AM Jason Petermann – The power of story…
  • 11:55 AM Jason Petermann – when we here the stories of people, we realize we are not alone
  • 12:01 PM Jason Petermann – showing a video about how no one is alone in the struggles of life… very real and raw stuff
  • 12:06 PM Jason Petermann – when we here the stories of people, we realize my story matters to someone else
  • 12:07 PM Jason Petermann – when we here the stories of people, we realize that other people’s stories matter too
  • 12:10 PM Jason Petermann – when we here the stories of people, we realize that my story connects with God’s story and stories of others around me
  • 12:14 PM Jason Petermann – Story telling requires space for people
  • 12:14 PM Jason Petermann – space for them to tell their story
  • 12:15 PM Jason Petermann – churches need to be the best at creating spaces for people to tell their stories. The church should be better at that than Starbucks and the bar
  • 12:15 PM Jason Petermann – unfortunately, people find more acceptance in those places than the church… (shame on us…)
  • 12:15 PM Jason Petermann – our church should not be a haven for Christians, but for the people that Christians are suppose to love…
  • 12:17 PM Jason Petermann – table sharing now…
  • 12:27 PM Jason Petermann – That is the end of session 3. We will be back after lunch for Session 3 (about 1:15 EST)

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  • 9:48 AM Jason Petermann – Some introductions of people to start the session
  • 9:51 AM Jason Petermann – First Impressions – to make someone feel like they belong when they first visit
  • 9:52 AM Jason Petermann – Lasting Impressions… how to get someone to come back…
  • 9:53 AM Jason Petermann – Mark is explaining how he came to Granger, and how he felt about the place. The DNA just fit
  • 9:55 AM Jason Petermann – Questions we often ask about our returning guests:
  • 9:55 AM Jason Petermann – How do we get people to join our church?
  • 9:56 AM Jason Petermann – What curriculm?
  • 9:57 AM Jason Petermann – What if we first asked… what are people generally looking for?
  • 9:57 AM Jason Petermann – why do people come the first time?
  • 9:57 AM Jason Petermann – what might want to make people stay
  • 9:58 AM Jason Petermann – what are we trying to do?
  • 9:59 AM Jason Petermann – a lot of times, we rush things for people… we can make their journey awkward…
  • 9:59 AM Jason Petermann – showing a video…
  • 10:05 AM Jason Petermann – this is a great video… got do this one
  • 10:07 AM Jason Petermann – I wonder if sometimes we don’t escalate our expectations so fast that we make them feel awkward…
  • 10:10 AM Jason Petermann – table talk time…
  • 10:11 AM Jason Petermann – questions being asked are: “What do you believe motivates people to come back a second and third time?”
  • 10:12 AM Jason Petermann – needs being met, relationships, finding other people that are like them…
  • 10:13 AM Jason Petermann – Why do you want guests to come back? what do you hope motivates them?
  • 10:13 AM Jason Petermann – needs being met, relationships desired and developed
  • 10:14 AM Jason Petermann – lots of discussion in the room about these questions now
  • 10:15 AM Jason Petermann – People Matter
  • 10:16 AM Jason Petermann – People like to hide…
  • 10:16 AM Jason Petermann – we started that at a young age… peek-a-boo and hide and seek
  • 10:17 AM Jason Petermann – it is cute when you are young, but not when you get older
  • 10:19 AM Jason Petermann – big challenge is that we say that we will accept someone… when…
  • 10:19 AM Jason Petermann – when we do not feel accepted or like we belong, we hide
  • 10:20 AM Jason Petermann – our job is to create an enviroment that we accept them right where they are… right now… even after a week, 6 weeks, 6 months
  • 10:20 AM Jason Petermann – it does not matter how long it takes someone…
  • 10:20 AM Jason Petermann – we put a time-line on people, and that can be unrealistic
  • 10:21 AM Jason Petermann – What do you want a person’s life to look like after being around your church for… 2-3 weeks, 2-3 months, 2-3 years?
  • 10:21 AM Jason Petermann – when speaking of matuity and life change, the Bible uses “grow” language
  • 10:22 AM Jason Petermann – we think we can a little miracle grow on people and they will spring up overnight… the Bible talks nothing of that
  • 10:23 AM Jason Petermann – Romans 1:11 – “For I long to visit you so I can bring you some spiritual gift that will help you grow strong in the Lord.”
  • 10:25 AM Jason Petermann – ven in life, growth takes time
  • 10:25 AM Jason Petermann – a baby is not mature… neither is a 3-4 year old, or a 16yr old… or a 35 year old
  • 10:26 AM Jason Petermann – as we look over our own shoulder, we can see our growth process
  • 10:26 AM Jason Petermann – if we are in a process, why shouldn’t those in the church be in a process
  • 10:26 AM Jason Petermann – Not New
  • 10:27 AM Jason Petermann – How long does it take before someone is not new…
  • 10:31 AM Jason Petermann – discussions about that now in the room…
  • 10:31 AM Jason Petermann – everyone likes that “new” treatment
  • 10:31 AM Jason Petermann – we have to continue to communicate value
  • 10:32 AM Jason Petermann – What doesn’t change: 1. Intrinsic value
  • 10:33 AM Jason Petermann – people are always valuable
  • 10:33 AM Jason Petermann – 2. the need for respect does not change
  • 10:33 AM Jason Petermann – 3. Only one “you are here” X
  • 10:33 AM Jason Petermann – (x – where you are in your journey)
  • 10:33 AM Jason Petermann – 4. Life is about journey
  • 10:34 AM Jason Petermann – it is important to remember that we are where we are… and that is not a problem. We are in a journey
  • 10:34 AM Jason Petermann – video of Mark Beeson talking about the “X”
  • 10:39 AM Jason Petermann – wow, great video illustrating a journey…
  • 10:39 AM Jason Petermann – 5. God’s grace does not change because we are not new
  • 10:43 AM Jason Petermann – we want people to belong, God’s grace makes that possible
  • 10:44 AM Jason Petermann – Manychurches make it harder to join them than Jesus did to follow Him… ouch! Very true of many churches though! wow!
  • 10:47 AM Jason Petermann – Membership. Assimilation. Belonging.
  • 10:47 AM Jason Petermann – Invite people to something bigger than themselves
  • 10:47 AM Jason Petermann – we should invite people to the movement of Jesus Christ
  • 10:48 AM Jason Petermann – what if we invite people to the movement instead of joining our church
  • 10:48 AM Jason Petermann – What if we invite them to relationship, not a list of rules
  • 10:48 AM Jason Petermann – what if we invite them to a partnership, not merely a covenant
  • 10:50 AM Jason Petermann – partnership communicates everyone carrying their part of the load…
  • 10:50 AM Jason Petermann – another video with Mark Beeson…
  • 10:51 AM Jason Petermann – Mark Beeson is a master at casting vision… wow!
  • 10:52 AM Jason Petermann – what if we invite people to belong to something they want to be a part of
  • 10:53 AM Jason Petermann – taking questions from the floor now…
  • 10:57 AM Jason Petermann – the words recruit and assimilate put bulls-eyes on peoples backs
  • 10:58 AM Jason Petermann – the whole tone that needs to be communicated is “You are on your journey, it is yours.. whatever steps you take are up to you…”
  • 10:59 AM Jason Petermann – end of session 1… back for session 2 in about 15 minutes…

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