Archives For March 6, 2009

  • 2:37 PM Jason Petermann – Session 4 will start in 13 minutes…
  • 2:53 PM Jason Petermann – Say it. So what
  • 2:53 PM Jason Petermann – The “so what” helps people integrate their menu, and therefore, their choices
  • 2:54 PM Jason Petermann – the “so what” brings vision to your promotion
  • 2:55 PM Jason Petermann – The “so what” clarifies the practicality and specificity of personal discipleship
  • 2:57 PM Jason Petermann – Laser. Focus.
  • 2:57 PM Jason Petermann – Many years go, Granger had a ministry for EVERYTHING (couples, singles, ladies, mens, etc.)
  • 3:04 PM Jason Petermann – The narrowed their focus to three areas… Groups, Retreats, and Volunteers
  • 3:04 PM Jason Petermann – showing a video of Mark Beeson speaking about this
  • 3:12 PM Jason Petermann – A church OF or WITH small groups
  • 3:13 PM Jason Petermann – a church of: you will expect everyone to be a part of one
  • 3:13 PM Jason Petermann – you’ll elevate the importance of this step over other steps
  • 3:14 PM Jason Petermann – people may feel like the other steps don’t have much significance compared to the step of getting in a small group
  • 3:14 PM Jason Petermann – people may hear if they are not in a small group, you are a substandard christian
  • 3:15 PM Jason Petermann – A church with groups, but focused on relationships is the key
  • 3:16 PM Jason Petermann – biblical teaching is a catalyst for life change and that life change best happens in relationships
  • 3:16 PM Jason Petermann – the experience of grace – unconditional acceptance – in personal relationships is often the open door to receiving God’s grace
  • 3:17 PM Jason Petermann – the care of our church people is best administered by the people with whom they share relationship
  • 3:17 PM Jason Petermann – people will stick in the local church as they connect with others
  • 3:18 PM Jason Petermann – serving is best practiced in a team, a joint effort with others with whom we share mutual mission and relationship
  • 3:18 PM Jason Petermann – Breaking. Barriers.
  • 3:18 PM Jason Petermann – CREATE
  • 3:19 PM Jason Petermann – a name that reduces confusion, fear and baggage (groups?)
  • 3:19 PM Jason Petermann – Create opporunities to tell stories
  • 3:19 PM Jason Petermann – Create ways for people to experiment
  • 3:22 PM Jason Petermann – Clarify… Culture
  • 3:22 PM Jason Petermann – Purpose
  • 3:24 PM Jason Petermann – people are coming with a variety of backgrounds and desires
  • 3:24 PM Jason Petermann – define the purpose of the meeting: to build relationships
  • 3:27 PM Jason Petermann – Granger has four group environments
  • 3:27 PM Jason Petermann – starting point: for marrieds and for singles – 6 weeks
  • 3:34 PM Jason Petermann – turning point: those ready for a change
  • 3:34 PM Jason Petermann – people that want to break addictions, need counseling and other things like that do not go to support groups, the also go to these small groups in turning point
  • 3:36 PM Jason Petermann – these groups promote the fact that these people matter to God
  • 3:37 PM Jason Petermann – 10 week groups
  • 3:37 PM Jason Petermann – none of Grangers groups are “eternal”
  • 3:38 PM Jason Petermann – Viewpoint: the newest “group” addition
  • 3:38 PM Jason Petermann – people that are looking for others to study the Bible with
  • 3:39 PM Jason Petermann – Journey Classes were going to do this, but they were to big
  • 3:39 PM Jason Petermann – these are smaller groups at tables
  • 3:45 PM Jason Petermann – Onramps: too many groups = confusion
  • 3:47 PM Jason Petermann – too challenging = scary
  • 3:55 PM Jason Petermann – Volunteer. Venue.
  • 3:55 PM Jason Petermann – Myths associated with volunteering
  • 3:55 PM Jason Petermann – (we are running out of time!) AHHH!
  • 3:56 PM Jason Petermann – there is no room for me
  • 3:56 PM Jason Petermann – It requires too much time
  • 3:57 PM Jason Petermann – you need to be an extrovert to serve
  • 3:57 PM Jason Petermann – you need to be an introvert
  • 3:57 PM Jason Petermann – only Christ followers can volunteer
  • 3:58 PM Jason Petermann – you must know what you are good at to volunteer
  • 3:58 PM Jason Petermann – (they let you experiment at GCC)
  • 3:58 PM Jason Petermann – Develop on ramps
  • 3:58 PM Jason Petermann – host an expo
  • 3:58 PM Jason Petermann – Get online
  • 3:58 PM Jason Petermann – host a tour
  • 3:58 PM Jason Petermann – (Voluntour)
  • 3:59 PM Jason Petermann – make it simple, whatever you do!
  • 4:00 PM Jason Petermann – wow… end of session 4! Thanks for joining me for the last couple of days!

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  • 1:24 PM Jason Petermann – Human. space.
  • 1:25 PM Jason Petermann – you have public space… anyone and everyone… your service on the weekend
  • 1:25 PM Jason Petermann – social space… people may not know each other, but they have commonality
  • 1:27 PM Jason Petermann – social space in a church may be a class offered… like FPU, guys or ladies retreat
  • 1:28 PM Jason Petermann – personal space
  • 1:28 PM Jason Petermann – people work in the same ministry, meet for Starbucks or a Bible study…
  • 1:28 PM Jason Petermann – conversations are moving along throughout these spaces, getting more personal
  • 1:29 PM Jason Petermann – Intimate space
  • 1:30 PM Jason Petermann – one on one with someone, being very transparent. Knowing the other person has their back…
  • 1:32 PM Jason Petermann – We need to move people along in our churches, but there is nothing that we can do to make the intimate happen…
  • 1:35 PM Jason Petermann – people will likely only have 5-6 friends that are close enough to get to the intimate level
  • 1:37 PM Jason Petermann – We all need each of these four spaces
  • 1:37 PM Jason Petermann – we move in and out of these spaces very fluidly…
  • 1:39 PM Jason Petermann – Granger’s Spaces
  • 1:40 PM Jason Petermann – weekend – Public
  • 1:40 PM Jason Petermann – First Wednesday (mid-week) – public
  • 1:41 PM Jason Petermann – other Wednesdays… Journey Bible classes
  • 1:44 PM Jason Petermann – social spaces
  • 1:44 PM Jason Petermann – Turning Point
  • 1:44 PM Jason Petermann – Starting point
  • 1:44 PM Jason Petermann – Second Saturday
  • 1:45 PM Jason Petermann – Financial Peace
  • 1:46 PM Jason Petermann – table work for a minute or two
  • 1:53 PM Jason Petermann – no matter what we may hope for one of these areas of space, people will make it what they want…
  • 2:02 PM Jason Petermann – Accept the space that you have
  • 2:02 PM Jason Petermann – Leverage the space you ahve
  • 2:02 PM Jason Petermann – Design the space that you have
  • 2:02 PM Jason Petermann – think like a designer
  • 2:03 PM Jason Petermann – We need to ask about our spaces:
  • 2:03 PM Jason Petermann – What kind of space is it
  • 2:03 PM Jason Petermann – what is the purpose of the space
  • 2:03 PM Jason Petermann – who will use that space
  • 2:04 PM Jason Petermann – what is the desired experience in that space
  • 2:04 PM Jason Petermann – (what do you want them to feel?)
  • 2:05 PM Jason Petermann – what do we want people to leave with?
  • 2:06 PM Jason Petermann – a friend? a challenge? a new commitment for the week?
  • 2:06 PM Jason Petermann – Who is responsible for quality control… who will say we have done what we intended to do with this space
  • 2:08 PM Jason Petermann – Minimal. Menu.
  • 2:08 PM Jason Petermann – showing a video
  • 2:14 PM Jason Petermann – Your people have two menus
  • 2:14 PM Jason Petermann – 1. The menu they carry with them
  • 2:14 PM Jason Petermann – 2. the menu we hand them when they come into our church
  • 2:17 PM Jason Petermann – Recommended book: Paradox of Choice by B. Schwartz
  • 2:17 PM Jason Petermann – Stack the menu, pay the price:
  • 2:18 PM Jason Petermann – When the menu is too exhaustive, people simply choose not to choose
  • 2:19 PM Jason Petermann – When the menu is too exhaustive, people delay their choice
  • 2:19 PM Jason Petermann – When the menu is too exhaustive, people experience buyers remorse
  • 2:19 PM Jason Petermann – we need to narrow the choices at our choice
  • 2:21 PM Jason Petermann – Bulletin: when we hand someone the bulletin for the week, we have handed them our new comers packet
  • 2:22 PM Jason Petermann – how do you move people from Sunday to serving if there are no announcements… Granger does “The Feed”
  • 2:23 PM Jason Petermann – a video they show this every week
  • 2:27 PM Jason Petermann – Minimize the menu: the used car salesman approach
  • 2:27 PM Jason Petermann – you wanna move the car off the lot and will do anything to move it,no matter what the customer wants
  • 2:28 PM Jason Petermann – second approach: All-skate approach
  • 2:28 PM Jason Petermann – everyone does everything together
  • 2:30 PM Jason Petermann – both approaches do not work and place expectations on people to be and do them, to be at the same X in their journey
  • 2:31 PM Jason Petermann – end of session 3, session four starts in 15 minutes!

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  • 11:27 AM Jason Petermann – People. Change.
  • 11:28 AM Jason Petermann – There is a difference between being responsible to people and being responsible for people…
  • 11:28 AM Jason Petermann – we are responsible TO people…
  • 11:29 AM Jason Petermann – if we understand that are are responsible TO people, then I understand they have a choice… if I feel responsible for people, I think I should choose for them
  • 11:30 AM Jason Petermann – if we understand that are are responsible TO people, then I know they must figure out their next tep… if I feel responsible for people, I think I should tell them what there next step is
  • 11:31 AM Jason Petermann – if we understand that are are responsible TO people, then I understand they must bear the consequences of their actions… if I feel responsible for people, I assume the guilt, or worse yet the shame for them
  • 11:33 AM Jason Petermann – if we understand that are are responsible TO people, then I share their journeys, offering encouragement and teaching… if I feel responsible for people, I try to direct their journeys, never allowing them to wrestle or mess up
  • 11:39 AM Jason Petermann – if we understand that are are responsible TO people, then I talk to God a lot on their behalf… if I feel responsible for people, I tend to talk to people a lot on God’s behalf… WOW!
  • 11:42 AM Jason Petermann – “If Jesus trusts the Holy Spirit, maybe we should too”
  • 11:42 AM Jason Petermann – It is God that does the growing, we just get in the way…
  • 11:43 AM Jason Petermann – Real. Expectations.
  • 11:45 AM Jason Petermann – Only one thing fills the gap between expectation and unmet expectation: disappointment
  • 11:45 AM Jason Petermann – we need to be clear about what people expect from us…
  • 11:46 AM Jason Petermann – get clear
  • 11:46 AM Jason Petermann – be real about it…
  • 11:46 AM Jason Petermann – we need to call people to own their journeys… if we do that, we better own our own journey
  • 11:46 AM Jason Petermann – everyone has a next step
  • 11:47 AM Jason Petermann – Be simple.
  • 11:48 AM Jason Petermann – We make things WAY to complicated for other people (need to get Kem Meyers book on March 26)
  • 11:49 AM Jason Petermann – people will give their lives away to serving
  • 11:50 AM Jason Petermann – we have to find a way to make everything that we do in the church to connect to the idea of people being on their journey
  • 11:54 AM Jason Petermann – Story. Telling.
  • 11:54 AM Jason Petermann – Kathy Guy is joining mark now
  • 11:54 AM Jason Petermann – The power of story…
  • 11:55 AM Jason Petermann – when we here the stories of people, we realize we are not alone
  • 12:01 PM Jason Petermann – showing a video about how no one is alone in the struggles of life… very real and raw stuff
  • 12:06 PM Jason Petermann – when we here the stories of people, we realize my story matters to someone else
  • 12:07 PM Jason Petermann – when we here the stories of people, we realize that other people’s stories matter too
  • 12:10 PM Jason Petermann – when we here the stories of people, we realize that my story connects with God’s story and stories of others around me
  • 12:14 PM Jason Petermann – Story telling requires space for people
  • 12:14 PM Jason Petermann – space for them to tell their story
  • 12:15 PM Jason Petermann – churches need to be the best at creating spaces for people to tell their stories. The church should be better at that than Starbucks and the bar
  • 12:15 PM Jason Petermann – unfortunately, people find more acceptance in those places than the church… (shame on us…)
  • 12:15 PM Jason Petermann – our church should not be a haven for Christians, but for the people that Christians are suppose to love…
  • 12:17 PM Jason Petermann – table sharing now…
  • 12:27 PM Jason Petermann – That is the end of session 3. We will be back after lunch for Session 3 (about 1:15 EST)

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  • 9:48 AM Jason Petermann – Some introductions of people to start the session
  • 9:51 AM Jason Petermann – First Impressions – to make someone feel like they belong when they first visit
  • 9:52 AM Jason Petermann – Lasting Impressions… how to get someone to come back…
  • 9:53 AM Jason Petermann – Mark is explaining how he came to Granger, and how he felt about the place. The DNA just fit
  • 9:55 AM Jason Petermann – Questions we often ask about our returning guests:
  • 9:55 AM Jason Petermann – How do we get people to join our church?
  • 9:56 AM Jason Petermann – What curriculm?
  • 9:57 AM Jason Petermann – What if we first asked… what are people generally looking for?
  • 9:57 AM Jason Petermann – why do people come the first time?
  • 9:57 AM Jason Petermann – what might want to make people stay
  • 9:58 AM Jason Petermann – what are we trying to do?
  • 9:59 AM Jason Petermann – a lot of times, we rush things for people… we can make their journey awkward…
  • 9:59 AM Jason Petermann – showing a video…
  • 10:05 AM Jason Petermann – this is a great video… got do this one
  • 10:07 AM Jason Petermann – I wonder if sometimes we don’t escalate our expectations so fast that we make them feel awkward…
  • 10:10 AM Jason Petermann – table talk time…
  • 10:11 AM Jason Petermann – questions being asked are: “What do you believe motivates people to come back a second and third time?”
  • 10:12 AM Jason Petermann – needs being met, relationships, finding other people that are like them…
  • 10:13 AM Jason Petermann – Why do you want guests to come back? what do you hope motivates them?
  • 10:13 AM Jason Petermann – needs being met, relationships desired and developed
  • 10:14 AM Jason Petermann – lots of discussion in the room about these questions now
  • 10:15 AM Jason Petermann – People Matter
  • 10:16 AM Jason Petermann – People like to hide…
  • 10:16 AM Jason Petermann – we started that at a young age… peek-a-boo and hide and seek
  • 10:17 AM Jason Petermann – it is cute when you are young, but not when you get older
  • 10:19 AM Jason Petermann – big challenge is that we say that we will accept someone… when…
  • 10:19 AM Jason Petermann – when we do not feel accepted or like we belong, we hide
  • 10:20 AM Jason Petermann – our job is to create an enviroment that we accept them right where they are… right now… even after a week, 6 weeks, 6 months
  • 10:20 AM Jason Petermann – it does not matter how long it takes someone…
  • 10:20 AM Jason Petermann – we put a time-line on people, and that can be unrealistic
  • 10:21 AM Jason Petermann – What do you want a person’s life to look like after being around your church for… 2-3 weeks, 2-3 months, 2-3 years?
  • 10:21 AM Jason Petermann – when speaking of matuity and life change, the Bible uses “grow” language
  • 10:22 AM Jason Petermann – we think we can a little miracle grow on people and they will spring up overnight… the Bible talks nothing of that
  • 10:23 AM Jason Petermann – Romans 1:11 – “For I long to visit you so I can bring you some spiritual gift that will help you grow strong in the Lord.”
  • 10:25 AM Jason Petermann – ven in life, growth takes time
  • 10:25 AM Jason Petermann – a baby is not mature… neither is a 3-4 year old, or a 16yr old… or a 35 year old
  • 10:26 AM Jason Petermann – as we look over our own shoulder, we can see our growth process
  • 10:26 AM Jason Petermann – if we are in a process, why shouldn’t those in the church be in a process
  • 10:26 AM Jason Petermann – Not New
  • 10:27 AM Jason Petermann – How long does it take before someone is not new…
  • 10:31 AM Jason Petermann – discussions about that now in the room…
  • 10:31 AM Jason Petermann – everyone likes that “new” treatment
  • 10:31 AM Jason Petermann – we have to continue to communicate value
  • 10:32 AM Jason Petermann – What doesn’t change: 1. Intrinsic value
  • 10:33 AM Jason Petermann – people are always valuable
  • 10:33 AM Jason Petermann – 2. the need for respect does not change
  • 10:33 AM Jason Petermann – 3. Only one “you are here” X
  • 10:33 AM Jason Petermann – (x – where you are in your journey)
  • 10:33 AM Jason Petermann – 4. Life is about journey
  • 10:34 AM Jason Petermann – it is important to remember that we are where we are… and that is not a problem. We are in a journey
  • 10:34 AM Jason Petermann – video of Mark Beeson talking about the “X”
  • 10:39 AM Jason Petermann – wow, great video illustrating a journey…
  • 10:39 AM Jason Petermann – 5. God’s grace does not change because we are not new
  • 10:43 AM Jason Petermann – we want people to belong, God’s grace makes that possible
  • 10:44 AM Jason Petermann – Manychurches make it harder to join them than Jesus did to follow Him… ouch! Very true of many churches though! wow!
  • 10:47 AM Jason Petermann – Membership. Assimilation. Belonging.
  • 10:47 AM Jason Petermann – Invite people to something bigger than themselves
  • 10:47 AM Jason Petermann – we should invite people to the movement of Jesus Christ
  • 10:48 AM Jason Petermann – what if we invite people to the movement instead of joining our church
  • 10:48 AM Jason Petermann – What if we invite them to relationship, not a list of rules
  • 10:48 AM Jason Petermann – what if we invite them to a partnership, not merely a covenant
  • 10:50 AM Jason Petermann – partnership communicates everyone carrying their part of the load…
  • 10:50 AM Jason Petermann – another video with Mark Beeson…
  • 10:51 AM Jason Petermann – Mark Beeson is a master at casting vision… wow!
  • 10:52 AM Jason Petermann – what if we invite people to belong to something they want to be a part of
  • 10:53 AM Jason Petermann – taking questions from the floor now…
  • 10:57 AM Jason Petermann – the words recruit and assimilate put bulls-eyes on peoples backs
  • 10:58 AM Jason Petermann – the whole tone that needs to be communicated is “You are on your journey, it is yours.. whatever steps you take are up to you…”
  • 10:59 AM Jason Petermann – end of session 1… back for session 2 in about 15 minutes…

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